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		<title>Comment on Where are the Process Apps? by Ian Gotts</title>
		<link>http://bpmfutures.com/2011/01/18/where-are-the-process-apps/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Gotts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 07:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David

The problem with BPM (arpart from being Beats Per Minute and the Speaking Clock in China) is that there are 2 different categories of BPM app in your survey. The first are those that are a visual representation of the process ie the Intelligent Operations Manual (Nimbus Control being one of them), and the second category which is and executable application ie workflow/form filling.

The first category can really take advantage of a touch screen and the real estate esp on tablet to give a far richer experience, as Jim Boots from Chevron talked about in the &lt;a&gt;Financial Times article&lt;/a&gt;, or in the blog about &lt;a / rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a very senior level client meeting&lt;/a&gt; last week.  The other advantage is sync&#039;g the information for off-line use, as a Carphone Warehouse / Best Buy have found where bandwith in South Africa is poor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David</p>
<p>The problem with BPM (arpart from being Beats Per Minute and the Speaking Clock in China) is that there are 2 different categories of BPM app in your survey. The first are those that are a visual representation of the process ie the Intelligent Operations Manual (Nimbus Control being one of them), and the second category which is and executable application ie workflow/form filling.</p>
<p>The first category can really take advantage of a touch screen and the real estate esp on tablet to give a far richer experience, as Jim Boots from Chevron talked about in the <a>Financial Times article</a>, or in the blog about <a / rel="nofollow">a very senior level client meeting</a> last week.  The other advantage is sync&#8217;g the information for off-line use, as a Carphone Warehouse / Best Buy have found where bandwith in South Africa is poor.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where are the Process Apps? by The Sorry State of Mobile Process Apps &#187; Process for the Enterprise</title>
		<link>http://bpmfutures.com/2011/01/18/where-are-the-process-apps/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Sorry State of Mobile Process Apps &#187; Process for the Enterprise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 05:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] state of mobile process apps is pretty&#8230; underwhelming.  After reading David&#8217;s post about process apps, I wasn&#8217;t any more enthused: As the table below shows, the type of BPM App best represented in the App Stores I visited could [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] state of mobile process apps is pretty&#8230; underwhelming.  After reading David&#8217;s post about process apps, I wasn&#8217;t any more enthused: As the table below shows, the type of BPM App best represented in the App Stores I visited could [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where are the Process Apps? by david moser</title>
		<link>http://bpmfutures.com/2011/01/18/where-are-the-process-apps/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david moser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 01:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Definitely no apologies needed - that&#039;s important, and I can see that anyone who started reading this blog with those distinctions in mind would find it pretty confusing/confused. So - Apple lawyers take note - I shall in future blogs save the term &#039;App Store&#039; to refer to Apple&#039;s own offering.

A pity, since it&#039;s a good term and, like hoover and sellotape/scotch tape, is likely to be picked up by the population at large. I&#039;m not immediately sure what the generic term for App Store is - App Retailer? (Given that &#039;App&#039; is used by both Apple &amp; Blackberry it&#039;s presumably not protected). Here&#039;s another &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/news/app-store-covers-all-retailers-of-smartphones-gadgets-microsoft-says/story-e6frg90o-1225986890373&quot; title=&quot;link&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; to the Microsoft trademark challenge, btw.

I&#039;m not 100% sure of your final point (&#039;Also, the abbreviation for “application” is “app” not “App”&#039;) If you&#039;re aiming to draw a distinction between downloadable, mobile-focussed software and browser-based software then I feel that any difference between them is less important than the distribution model that they increasingly have in common - the App Retailer (there - used it!). Android Market, Chrome Web Store and Google Apps Marketplace differ in the technical focus of their Apps, but the distribution model is fast converging and in that context I think we&#039;ll soon be referring to all application software as &#039;Apps&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely no apologies needed &#8211; that&#8217;s important, and I can see that anyone who started reading this blog with those distinctions in mind would find it pretty confusing/confused. So &#8211; Apple lawyers take note &#8211; I shall in future blogs save the term &#8216;App Store&#8217; to refer to Apple&#8217;s own offering.</p>
<p>A pity, since it&#8217;s a good term and, like hoover and sellotape/scotch tape, is likely to be picked up by the population at large. I&#8217;m not immediately sure what the generic term for App Store is &#8211; App Retailer? (Given that &#8216;App&#8217; is used by both Apple &amp; Blackberry it&#8217;s presumably not protected). Here&#8217;s another <a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/news/app-store-covers-all-retailers-of-smartphones-gadgets-microsoft-says/story-e6frg90o-1225986890373" title="link" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">link</a> to the Microsoft trademark challenge, btw.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not 100% sure of your final point (&#8216;Also, the abbreviation for “application” is “app” not “App”&#8217;) If you&#8217;re aiming to draw a distinction between downloadable, mobile-focussed software and browser-based software then I feel that any difference between them is less important than the distribution model that they increasingly have in common &#8211; the App Retailer (there &#8211; used it!). Android Market, Chrome Web Store and Google Apps Marketplace differ in the technical focus of their Apps, but the distribution model is fast converging and in that context I think we&#8217;ll soon be referring to all application software as &#8216;Apps&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where are the Process Apps? by Kontra</title>
		<link>http://bpmfutures.com/2011/01/18/where-are-the-process-apps/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kontra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 10:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t mean to be a nitpicker :) but you&#039;re all over the place with acronyms, abbreviations and trademarks. 

For the record, in 2008 Apple has filed a trademark for &quot;App Store&quot;. (See, &lt;a href=&quot;http://ipwatchdog.com/2011/01/17/apple-microsoft-fight-over-app-store-trademark-app/id=14438/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Apple and Microsoft Fight Over “APP STORE” Trademark App&lt;/a&gt;) Microsoft is fighting it. Until it&#039;s rejected, &quot;App Store&quot; refers uniquely to Apple&#039;s service. There&#039;s no such thing as &quot;App Stores&quot; as no other vendor calls its application service an &quot;App Store&quot;, since Apple&#039;s in the process of trademarking it. Various other vendors use names like (Android) &quot;Marketplace,&quot; (BlackBerry) &quot;App World&quot; and so on. Also, the abbreviation for &quot;application&quot; is &quot;app&quot; not &quot;App&quot;.

Sorry for the intrusion, but these make it hard to parse the references in the piece.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean to be a nitpicker <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  but you&#8217;re all over the place with acronyms, abbreviations and trademarks. </p>
<p>For the record, in 2008 Apple has filed a trademark for &#8220;App Store&#8221;. (See, <a href="http://ipwatchdog.com/2011/01/17/apple-microsoft-fight-over-app-store-trademark-app/id=14438/" rel="nofollow">Apple and Microsoft Fight Over “APP STORE” Trademark App</a>) Microsoft is fighting it. Until it&#8217;s rejected, &#8220;App Store&#8221; refers uniquely to Apple&#8217;s service. There&#8217;s no such thing as &#8220;App Stores&#8221; as no other vendor calls its application service an &#8220;App Store&#8221;, since Apple&#8217;s in the process of trademarking it. Various other vendors use names like (Android) &#8220;Marketplace,&#8221; (BlackBerry) &#8220;App World&#8221; and so on. Also, the abbreviation for &#8220;application&#8221; is &#8220;app&#8221; not &#8220;App&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sorry for the intrusion, but these make it hard to parse the references in the piece.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where are the Process Apps? by Appian Tempo</title>
		<link>http://bpmfutures.com/2011/01/18/where-are-the-process-apps/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Appian Tempo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 01:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] certainly isn’t the first mobile app for BPM – you can see a few more listed at David Moser’s blog post on process apps – and the expected demand for mobile BPM will continue to drive more into this marketplace. This [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] certainly isn’t the first mobile app for BPM – you can see a few more listed at David Moser’s blog post on process apps – and the expected demand for mobile BPM will continue to drive more into this marketplace. This [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where are the Process Apps? by david moser</title>
		<link>http://bpmfutures.com/2011/01/18/where-are-the-process-apps/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david moser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 23:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Ben - not sure what happened to your first sentence (it was in the email version that reached me), but anyway thank you for the update - your link proves the point!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ben &#8211; not sure what happened to your first sentence (it was in the email version that reached me), but anyway thank you for the update &#8211; your link proves the point!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where are the Process Apps? by david moser</title>
		<link>http://bpmfutures.com/2011/01/18/where-are-the-process-apps/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david moser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 23:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Adrian. I was involved some years back in the early stages of a project to provide BPM throughout a global consulting firm. The feeling at the time was that the Partners would not be prepared to use a conventional workflow inbox and would instead require tasks to be entered as calendar entries, the position being related to the due date of the task. I don&#039;t know where that particular project ended up, but it does suggest a place for a calendar interface to BPM.

Your post also makes me wonder whether there would be a market for a &#039;universal&#039; inbox for IOS 4.0, to which BPM vendors or third parties could provide interfaces to individual BPM systems, allowing iPad/iPhone users to participate in processes managed by a range of BPM engines? Interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Adrian. I was involved some years back in the early stages of a project to provide BPM throughout a global consulting firm. The feeling at the time was that the Partners would not be prepared to use a conventional workflow inbox and would instead require tasks to be entered as calendar entries, the position being related to the due date of the task. I don&#8217;t know where that particular project ended up, but it does suggest a place for a calendar interface to BPM.</p>
<p>Your post also makes me wonder whether there would be a market for a &#8216;universal&#8217; inbox for IOS 4.0, to which BPM vendors or third parties could provide interfaces to individual BPM systems, allowing iPad/iPhone users to participate in processes managed by a range of BPM engines? Interesting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where are the Process Apps? by Adrian Apthorp</title>
		<link>http://bpmfutures.com/2011/01/18/where-are-the-process-apps/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian Apthorp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 20:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David,

I was interested to see this blog as I&#039;d tried the same search recently with the same initial results. I have been taking a slightly different approach to this need, at least from the task management point of view. What are the possibilities of using of existing internet task management (iCalendar/CalDav) capabilities for a common task management UI, mobile or otherwise? My project site gives some idea of what the possibilities are:

http://taskcal.sourceforge.net/

The other alternative might be a WS HumanTask mobile UI.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I was interested to see this blog as I&#8217;d tried the same search recently with the same initial results. I have been taking a slightly different approach to this need, at least from the task management point of view. What are the possibilities of using of existing internet task management (iCalendar/CalDav) capabilities for a common task management UI, mobile or otherwise? My project site gives some idea of what the possibilities are:</p>
<p><a href="http://taskcal.sourceforge.net/" rel="nofollow">http://taskcal.sourceforge.net/</a></p>
<p>The other alternative might be a WS HumanTask mobile UI.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where are the Process Apps? by Ben Farrell</title>
		<link>http://bpmfutures.com/2011/01/18/where-are-the-process-apps/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Farrell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 18:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry - first part of my post was deleted. . .the initial URL points to the Appian app on the App Store.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; first part of my post was deleted. . .the initial URL points to the Appian app on the App Store.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where are the Process Apps? by Ben Farrell</title>
		<link>http://bpmfutures.com/2011/01/18/where-are-the-process-apps/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Farrell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 18:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David-
I hope you&#039;ll go back to the App Store, because you&#039;ll see the Appian BPM app available today (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/appian/id417065205?mt=8). This morning we launched the latest version of the Appian BPM Suite which tackles BPM&#039;s next frontiers: mobility, cloud and social. Native mobile BPM will open new levels of value and BPM participation across the enterprise, the supply chain and customers. Any application developed on Appian is now automatically available on a variety of mobile devices with no additional development required. We&#039;d be happy to give you a demo of our native iPad, iPhone, iPOD Touch, Blackberry and Android applications if you are interested.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David-<br />
I hope you&#8217;ll go back to the App Store, because you&#8217;ll see the Appian BPM app available today (<a href="http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/appian/id417065205?mt=8" rel="nofollow">http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/appian/id417065205?mt=8</a>). This morning we launched the latest version of the Appian BPM Suite which tackles BPM&#8217;s next frontiers: mobility, cloud and social. Native mobile BPM will open new levels of value and BPM participation across the enterprise, the supply chain and customers. Any application developed on Appian is now automatically available on a variety of mobile devices with no additional development required. We&#8217;d be happy to give you a demo of our native iPad, iPhone, iPOD Touch, Blackberry and Android applications if you are interested.</p>
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